Heng Long tanks

[outcastrc]

I just broke down tonight and ordered 2 Heng Long tanks. The Pershing, and the grey Tiger. Both Smoke and Sound Super Versions.

I bad! :firedevil:

Tiger (http://www.matotoys.com/canada/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=29)

Pershing (http://www.matotoys.com/canada/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=28)

[Rctrucktrialer]

Thanks for making me want one , or two , or a whole army to have battles in the bush at the back of my house :whip:

[Old Busted Hotness]

you may be disappointed, OC. we've had plenty of problems with those things. nothing a determined RC hobbyist can't overcome, but they're nowhere near Tamiya quality.

[Spoon37]

I keep telling myself I have no room... I have no room.... I have aargh!! :banghead: :lolbeat:

cool stuff OC - I wouldnt mind a Tiger I myself, still trying to see if can save the pennies and get a Tamiya version instead....

:banana:

[bigdogrod]

not to thread jack but..

spoon: when you have all your pennies saved, give me a shout.. i have an almost new tiger1 and sherman, both unpainted and not final assembled

bdr

[Spoon37]

cool! thanks for the offer that would be awesome... :nice:

:banana:

[Rikpal]

:lol:
cool

[outcastrc]

I have done a ton of research on HL's so I am well aware of the possible issues. I am also aware of some behind the scenes quality control measures. So quality control should be up quite a bit...

I look at it like this. Sure there may be some problems. But parts are cheap. I can own a whole fleet including parts for the cost of one Tamiya.

EG: rough gist of a Tamiya Tiger, controller and bearings. Over 800us. HL Tiger S&S under 100us. Is the Tamiya 8x better then the HL? Is it justifyable? Maybe to some... To me thats 8 HLs for one Tamiya. Or buy all the HL's present and future and still be under the cost of one Tamiya.

Much as I like Tamiya, I don't like them that much...

[Jugg2Driver]

If only they had a Sherman!

[outcastrc]

Theres always hoping. I know they are actively making new tanks to add to the fleet. So a Sherman should come at some point. I'll be on the pre order list if they do...

[635]

They have a small Sherman (http://cgi.ebay.de/NEUESTER-HENG-LONG-TANK-SHERMAN-M4A3-TOPHIT_W0QQitemZ7367267201QQcategoryZ45986QQtcZpho toQQcmdZViewItem), 1:30 .

[Spoon37]

odd thought: if Tamiya made Tiger's the tigers, and Heng long made the shermans the numbers and quality differences would be about accurate for scale WW2.... :lolbeat:

:banana:

[outcastrc]

LOL :rolling:

yah ain't that the truth!

I remember a show on the Tiger and they were interviewing a Tiger crew and it was funny. They broke down and the war was over before they got it fixed. So they survived.

While the Tigers were far superior their numbers wern't enough to make a big difference.

[CustomCrawler]

I have always wanted a tracked vehicle, but I dont have enough for this kinda stuff. Blizzard will prolly be my first tracked.

[davkin]

If only they had a Sherman!

For sure, however if they had a Sherman I would be unable to resist, so maybe that's a good thing. :)

David

[shodog]

Originally posted by outcastrc@Apr 13 2006, 12:26 PM
Is the Tamiya 8x better then the HL? Is it justifyable? Maybe to some... To me thats 8 HLs for one Tamiya. Or buy all the HL's present and future and still be under the cost of one Tamiya.

Much as I like Tamiya, I don't like them that much...
The HL is a great tank for bashing around and they are so inexpensive that it’s easy to buy more than one but for some people it’s justifiable to spend 8X more for the real deal Tamiya tank. Your right, the Tamiya tank is super expensive. But considering all the engineering that goes into one, it’s really a bargain.

While the HL has sound and can shoot BB’s it truly pales in comparison. From what I can gather from the video and the tank I have driven in a local Mall store is that the sound is non proportional the steering and ESC for that matter is non proportional also. The overall speed of the tank is too fast. The lack of proportionality makes them difficult to maneuver in tight spaces.

I have a Tamiya Pershing and I spent bucks on it, actually a lot more than I was anticipating to. But in the end I really like it and appreciate the little things that make this tank so real. All the sounds are digitally recorded from a real Pershing tank. When you turn the tanks on, it has a start up sequence that is really cool. It has sounds of pops from the inertia starter to the firing of the cylinders and then fgoes to an idle. While driving, the sound is totally proportional and with make tank track clanking sounds at low speed. The esc and steering is fully proportional. So you can crawl at a snails pace and turn just slightly or go up to the actual full scale speed of the real Pershing. In fact all of the effects like turret movement, main gun blast, recoil and reload and barrel movement all take the same amount of time the real tank does to move. So in the end you get what you pay for. Like I sated before, I am not knocking the HL tanks. It’s that there is a reason the Tamiya tanks are so much more costly.

[Old Busted Hotness]

i've experienced both of them, too, and have to agree with shodog. no comparison.

is the Tamiya 8X better?.....yeah, it is. see one in the flesh and you'll get it.
the Heng Longs are okay for what they are, but their reliability is poor. we've had 6 at the store and 5 have come back. stuff you could deal with, no doubt, but still aggravating.

not saying you made a bad buy, just know what you're getting. there's a reason it's 1/8 the price ;)

if they were trucks, the HL would be the stock 1/6 Ford Ranger, and the Tamiya would be a Bruiser :banana:

[WhiteWolf McBride]

Guys...

You may as well be comparing apples and eggs. Tamiya';s are RC ~models~. HL' are RC ~toys~. You want a similar comparison, a Tamiya Hummer and a Nikko one; a Traxxis Bandit and a Radio Shack truck. Model vs. Toy

The HL's may be cheaper, BUT they ain't perfect either:

- Tiger mantlet on upside down, after months of us saying "Its upside down, FOOL!"
- the sprocket bolts tend to work loose...
- the gears are plastic, if you lock a track, you wreck either a track, a gearbox, or burn out the motor board transisitors.
- new S&S smokers often burn out, its an energy hog when it ~does~ work.
- and the BB unit is a JOKE... hop-up? Yea, right.
- and warranty? WHAT Warranty?

Once you dump in the most common mods (to fix the stock flaws) like proper RC unit, ESC's, metal gears, better motors, and assorted other stuff, you at BEST could have bought TWO or maybe three instead of a Tamiya. Don't give me this eight HL's for one Tamiya crap.

You wanna show yourselves off as bickering children arguing this pointlessly, I'll just slip odd and tell the nanny to get the cots ready for your afternoon naps.

[outcastrc]

Guys I understand your points but my point is I can have a couple HL's or ZERO Tamiya's. I will not be buying anything that expensive for awhile.

Sure if I double my income or come into some coin I would buy Tamiya in a second. But as of right now a Tamiya is not an option, and won't be for awhile.

While many people arn't able to cope with HL issues I have no problem with it. parts are cheap and easy to get. The Super versions should be more reliable anyways. They have been solving reliability issues. Hopefully the SV's will be pretty reliable. Even if they wern't I know exactly what I am getting myself into. And have no problems with it.

Oh and they are 10 speed with slow rpm motors. (least the new ones are)

[Rikpal]

Anyway there's a ton of fun with the mutation of a toy into a model ;)
Once upon a time Rubb and Pitbull were toys :lol:

[Old Busted Hotness]

i didn't know you COULD get parts for them :banana:

enjoy the new tanks, and remember...


:worthless:

[Spoon37]

yeah Mato toys have been selling parts, its a good store for HL stuff...

but guys no need to get into any arguments over toys or models, at the end of the day the Tamiya is a toy, a much higher quality unit, better engineered etc, but if you can spend very little and have fun with a heng long version, whats the problem? :thinking:

speedythecat(eric173) makes some good points on Makingtrax - essentially that for $79 its a heap load of fun for very little money(referrring to the Heng Long M26 pershing 'snow leopard').

http://making-trax.org/index.php?showtopic=226

:banana:

[Old Busted Hotness]

now that i think about it, one of those might make a cool donor vehicle for a halftrack project :lolbeat:

[635]

You`re reading my mind Stu :blink: !

I thought about using the Tiger tracks for a WWII German half track tractor.

You can also get metal tracks (http://cgi.ebay.de/METALLKETTEN-TIGER-PANTHER-HENG-LONG-TAMIYA-MODELLE_W0QQitemZ7388148764QQcategoryZ45986QQtcZph otoQQcmdZViewItem) as a hop up although they would be much too wide.

[SlugzRacing]

Outcast, if you were closer I would drive up there one weekend for a battle. I know my heng long is a cheap POC but I enjoy driving tracked rig every now and then and there is no way I would run a $500 Tamiya through mud like I do the cheap heng long.


That and it is fun to shoot unsuspecting bystanders! :banana:

[outcastrc]

The Heng Longs would make great project donors. Being as cheap as they are you wouldn't care to hack it apart. And also they are linked tracks, not rubber so I would think that extending / shortening the tracks should be doable. Like Spoon said they should be a ton of fun for a cheap price.

Mato is going the extra mile by offering replacment parts, HD parts, and even metal tracks. They know that they have a good thing going here. Theres new tanks around the corner. And guys are making them very realistic.

I bought 5000 BB's from Walmart today so I would have decent ones ready for when they get here. My daughters jumping at the chance to run the tanks and shoot targets in our new basement. I had to warn her that one shot at her brother and she'll be in the dog house for a month! :whip:

And don't worry, have I ever been known not to overwhelm every thread with a zillion pictures? :excited:

There will be some pretty major write ups for making-trax which I will of course be happy to post here as well.

[mdltruckin]

i hope you like to replace them by the dozen as HL life expectancy is from dead in the box to dead in about 5 minutes.

shouldagonewithmarui™

[outcastrc]

Is that your own personal experience?

While there are guys out there with bad experiences, theres also plenty that are completely happy, wether they got good tanks or not. Its all in how you decide to look at it. I think too many people pay 70 bucks and fully expect it to compete against a tamiya. Which it will never do. Its a toy. The S&S models show drastic reliabilty improvements and the new Super Versions should up the anti yet again. Only time will tell.

The only time I have seen as much bickering online as between Heng Long vs Tamiya, has been FG vs Baja 5B. Some groups just shouldn't mix... (not meaning here, just the topics in general)

[Keith]

I for one LOVE my $80 HL Pershing! lol I've had it for a while now, and despite all the horror stories you hear about them, mine has given me no real trouble at all. The gun mechanism is the only thing that failed, and that was not hard to patch up myself. Then I found the replacements for like $4 a piece at Matotoys, just never got around to ordering one.

The smoke and sound models ARE proportional. The sound also changes with throttle. The gears are all plastic stock, but have a little "clutch" in them that slips before anything breaks.

I'm with OC on this one. Is a Tamiya better than a Heng Long? Damn right it is, you'd have to be retarted honestly think it wasn't! lol Should Heng Long and Tamiya be put on the same level and compared the way they are? I don't think so, but the fact that they are says alot for the Heng Long. A $80 tank that can draw that much attention to itself and make all the guys that spent $800 on a Tamiya go into defense mode to justify that purchase peaked my intrest, so I bought one and am very happy I did. Had I bought a Tamiya I would still be second guessing it every day. lol

Thats just my opinions and observations having bought a HL and read all the threads on various forums about which is better.

By the way OC, I seem to recall promising pictures for a certain forum... Sorry I never got around to those! :P

[outcastrc]

:whip: :whip: :whip: :whip:

No problem... :rolling: You bettter do it before I do tho.

[mdltruckin]

Originally posted by outcastrc@Apr 16 2006, 01:58 AM
Is that your own personal experience?

While there are guys out there with bad experiences, theres also plenty that are completely happy, wether they got good tanks or not. Its all in how you decide to look at it. I think too many people pay 70 bucks and fully expect it to compete against a tamiya. Which it will never do. Its a toy. The S&S models show drastic reliabilty improvements and the new Super Versions should up the anti yet again. Only time will tell.

The only time I have seen as much bickering online as between Heng Long vs Tamiya, has been FG vs Baja 5B. Some groups just shouldn't mix... (not meaning here, just the topics in general)
Yes experience with older models.

I only buy the VS ones now (essentially a marui) and have one of the original maruis as well.

Nobody is comparing them to a tamiya :crazy:

[mdltruckin]

Originally posted by Keith@Apr 16 2006, 10:16 AM
I for one LOVE my $80 HL Pershing! lol I've had it for a while now, and despite all the horror stories you hear about them, mine has given me no real trouble at all. The gun mechanism is the only thing that failed, and that was not hard to patch up myself. Then I found the replacements for like $4 a piece at Matotoys, just never got around to ordering one.

The smoke and sound models ARE proportional. The sound also changes with throttle. The gears are all plastic stock, but have a little "clutch" in them that slips before anything breaks.

I'm with OC on this one. Is a Tamiya better than a Heng Long? Damn right it is, you'd have to be retarted honestly think it wasn't! lol Should Heng Long and Tamiya be put on the same level and compared the way they are? I don't think so, but the fact that they are says alot for the Heng Long. A $80 tank that can draw that much attention to itself and make all the guys that spent $800 on a Tamiya go into defense mode to justify that purchase peaked my intrest, so I bought one and am very happy I did. Had I bought a Tamiya I would still be second guessing it every day. lol

Thats just my opinions and observations having bought a HL and read all the threads on various forums about which is better.

By the way OC, I seem to recall promising pictures for a certain forum... Sorry I never got around to those! :P
again, nobody is talking about tamiya.

:jumpnana:

[sig p232]

There is a local tank club in my neck of the woods and a few weeks ago I got this email:

"Greetings All:

Tank season is about to start and perhaps some of you have been busy building new models this winter. We'd love to see them, so plan to bring them with you at the end of April.

Our first get together will be on Sat. April 29th. We will need to complete a general cleanup, as last year's weeds still remain (so bring gloves), and there are shrubs to trim and trash to haul. I have already completed some repairs.....the work benches near the shed had been blown over by some serious wind, which twisted the other end of the benches and the fallen part crashed upon the tent poles. All fixed now, but in a couple years the benches will have reached the end of their useful lives as the rain has rotted quite a bit of the 2x4 framing. By then....maybe we will be located inside. This is a subject we need to talk seriously about.

We also need to plant the plastic trees that are stored in the shed. We have 2-300 yet to shape and bury. So bring a few extra tools that you think might be useful. We will start at 9:00 am and then plan on battling around 1 pm. Bring water and food as well.

One of our members (Bob Schilling) has a KT, a Hummel or a T1 for sale. You can contact him at schrh@juno.com if you are interested.

I have been in contact with a chap in England producing some nice resin detail parts (including Panzer tankers and some American stuff too), so as soon as I see some of his work first hand, I will try to get a list and maybe we can place a combined order.

On the subject of new stuff,,,,if you like Pershings, you really need to get one of the Heng Long "Snow Leopards"....its actually a Pershing and very well done. No Tamiya type sound, but they run very nicely and mine have detailed and painted well. $40-50 + shipping on Ebay.

You may also have interest in checking out the new International RC tanker website at http://www.rctankhq.com/world_tank_hq.htm FRAG is one of the founding clubs and I serve on the Executive Council. If you sign up, tell them you are a member of FRAG. There is no cost and the forum has become quite popular. We hope it will become the international clearing house for RC tanker stuff.

See you on the 29th. Paul

PS: Invite a friend ! "

I have wanted an HL since. I am interested in hearing your opinion.

Nate

[Spoon37]

sounds like fun... :chug:

for more info on RC tanks check out making trax forums:

http://making-trax.org/index.php?act=idx

there's a few folk on there with HL tanks, and for those ownbers of Tamiya tanks who've posted here we'd really love to see you on making trax - the Tamiya forums are a bit dead you see.... :blink:

I think they are great value, I am tempted to get one the main thing holding me back is I really need to sell some RC's to make room... :lol: and if I'm gonna do that I'll prolly have enuff moolah for a Tamiya... :excited:

:banana:

[sig p232]

So do you have the tanks yet, I really want to hear your thoughts on them. I think I may need one.

nate

[outcastrc]

They are being shipped accross the country as I type. Soon as I get them I will be putting them thru there paces... :woohoo:

[outcastrc]

Heng Long just released a Walker Bulldog. As long as the two tanks that are coming are ok, I will be turning right around and ordering more... That new tank is BEAUTIFUL!!!

http://making-trax.com/news/LS03309.jpg

[Spoon37]

:woohoo: yey its a proper 6 wheeled chassis too.... :excited:

(they were going to make the hull fit over the pershing, a bit like the 'pantiger' - panther hull, tiger tracks and wheels)

:banana:

[outcastrc]

They are here!!!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Pics as soon as I can get the box open!

[outcastrc]

As soon as the box arrived I quickly forgot about sleeping

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/tiger/2006-05-01,003.JPG

And hidden under the outer box! I must say these are well packaged. Boxes look great, and everything was packed well. I was a bit worried at the obvious dent in the Pershing box. Hopefully everything survived inside.

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/tiger/2006-05-01,005.JPG

After removing the tank I realised it didn't survive the fall. There are 2 parts broken. Ones easily fixed but I need to figure out where the black part goes.

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/pershing/2006-05-01,001.JPG

Everything else looks good from observation. Beatiful tank!

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/pershing/2006-05-01,013.JPG

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/pershing/2006-05-01,015.JPG

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/pershing/2006-05-01,017.JPG

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/pershing/2006-05-01,018.JPG

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/pershing/2006-05-01,019.JPG

The tiger fared very well with no damage during shipping. Everything else looks good from observation. Beatiful tank!

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/tiger/2006-05-01,006.JPG

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/tiger/2006-05-01,007.JPG

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/tiger/2006-05-01,008.JPG

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/tiger/2006-05-01,010.JPG

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/tiger/2006-05-01,011.JPG

Next item is to get that battery charged and try it out.

[Jugg2Driver]

Wonder why they have the Pershing labeled as a Snow Leopard.

[Spoon37]

Cool tanks OC! :chug: :chug: shame about the damaged pershing tho...

Matt, No idea - all I know its makes a good search term on ebay.... :lolbeat:

:banana:

[Jugg2Driver]

Those tanks are very tempting. If they had a Sherman I would be all over it!!!!

[outcastrc]

You have to figure its coming, they use the same tracks as the Pershing. I will be all over a S&S Sherman... Prolly a couple of them

[outcastrc]

Well gave the tanks a quick run to check them out...

The Tiger: Put the batts in and turned it on. The headlight started flashing and it just sat there doing nothing. I hit the start button and away it fired, caught, and settled into a throaty roar. I moved out into my living room. Got into position aimed and took out my 2 provided by HL targets! :shoot: Man they got blown over. Theres enough impact speed to put dents in the card, and I never did see where the shots flew off to. At this point the smoke started coming out of the exhaust and I sniffed and quickly turned it off. It stinks! I am going to have to wait till I can take them outside before I fire up the smoke units.

The Pershing: Same drill, get those batts in there and this time turn off the smoke system for now. Same procedure, start it up, revs to running speed and sits there idling. Head out into the Living room battlefield, take aim and nada! Nothing fired, even tho it tries to. I then recal that the tiger took way more pellets then the pershing did so I am wondering if the pellets are getting down into the gun. Something I will have to check out as soon as the kids are asleep.

Quick things to note:

The sound is great! It may not be Tamiya standard but its quite good. You even have volume control.

Speed of the Super units seems good, not too fast and at least theres no issue going slow. The 10 step escs are good enough to feel seemless. Not problems there

The smoke units are loud and stinky, not something I'd want to run indoors. Will have to test later...

They sure look sharp, to a tanker novice like me they are gorgeous! All they need is some weathering...

I was worried about the tank kickback when its fired. I thought it looked dumb in the videos and wasn't looking forward to trying to disable it. I never should have worried, that feature is activated by a button. So I just don't use it and I'll be happy!

Overall I am super impressed by what you get for this cheap! I'll have to finish my testing (and playing) later when the kids are asleep...

[Old Busted Hotness]

try shaking the Pershing a bit. usually what happens is two BB's try to occupy the chute at the same time, and neither makes its way into the barrel.

did you get decals? all the ones i've seen have been decaled and weathered at the factory.

glad you got two that work :banana: too bad about the busted "Snow Leopard"

[outcastrc]

Yup , there were decal sheets in both boxes.

I'll check for the jamming bb's hoping thats all there is to it. It sounds exactly the same as the tiger when firing so nothing should be jammed or anything. I know that the tiger took WAY more. It surprised me because I filled the pershing first. I just don't want to bring the tanks out with the kids around. I'll have broken tanks before I get to play with them...

I knew I was going to do it but I fired all 4500 Mato BB's in the garbage. They are crap compared to the stuff I bought at wallmart. And its cheap enough anyways...

[outcastrc]

:lolbeat: :lolbeat: :lolbeat:

I just checked and I ASSUMED the Pershing used the same door to fill the gun as the tiger...

It doesn't! :smackbutt:

So now that I know that there are actually bb's in the gun this time!

[evoraptor]

Originally posted by outcastrc@May 1 2006, 06:08 PM
:lolbeat: :lolbeat: :lolbeat:

I just checked and I ASSUMED the Pershing used the same door to fill the gun as the tiger...

It doesn't! :smackbutt:

So now that I know that there are actually bb's in the gun this time!
So basically you just dumped a buncha BB's into the tank? :lolbeat:

[Old Busted Hotness]

well, now it's got some ballast :rolling:

you're right about the BB's. half the ones we test-fired from the Humvee split on impact.

on a side note, we managed to improve the rate of fire to 454 rounds/minute by replacing the gun's hopper with a length of aluminum tube. of course it takes forever to load a 3-foot section of 1/4 inch tube, and it looks a bit goofy, but the problem of BB's jamming in the hopper is eliminated. it's not very scale looking, though :lol:

[outcastrc]

evoraptor No there was no hole in the door I put them into, Just the guy goes in there. On the Tiger its the feeding spot, just different on the tanks...

Dremelit With the Walmart bb's I am not getting any misfires. I haven't tried the HL bb's and refuse to, they look cheap! Only time it misfired it was in fact empty. I can see 5000 bbs arn't going to last very long...

Well I have good news and bad news about the pershing...

The good news is the Pershing is firing away like crazy. The bad news is that I now know what the black plastic is from...

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/pershing/2006-05-01,021.jpg

This obviously took the impact when the post office dropped it... I am going to take it apart and see if that styrene glue will put it back together...

The power of the guns is quite impressive. It shoots thru paper with ease. Puts dents in card and pop cans... I can get ricoshays (sp?) of 2 or 3 walls easy!

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/pershing/2006-05-01,022.jpg

There already a victim (me) My daughter shot me from an inch away on my bare ankle! It wasn't bad but it def. stung. I felt better when she shot herself, (from bout 3 feet away) right in the chest, She didn't appreciate me laughing at her hysterically. :rolling:

Wonder what the wife going to say when she see's hundred of little yellow balls all over the living room! :rant: :rolling:

[outcastrc]

And hears it fixed:

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/pershing/2006-05-01,023.jpg

I also forgot to mention that I had to remove the battery tabs so I could make the AA batteries work in the radio. Not sure why they even bothered to make them, they just get in the way anyways...

[sig p232]

AWESOME!!

Nate

[Supreme Reign]

Damn you, Outcast :crazy: First your 1:6 scale F350 and now these damn tanks :rant: I swore I would not get any Tamiya tanks, and here you come with these friggin cool, sensible options! Man, they look sweet :drool: I hate you.

[Jugg2Driver]

Originally posted by outcastrc@May 1 2006, 08:48 PM


http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/pershing/2006-05-01,022.jpg

There already a victim (me) My daughter shot me from an inch away on my bare ankle! It wasn't bad but it def. stung. I felt better when she shot herself, (from bout 3 feet away) right in the chest, She didn't appreciate me laughing at her hysterically. :rolling:

Wonder what the wife going to say when she see's hundred of little yellow balls all over the living room! :rant: :rolling:
LOL, I can see one of them in the pic!

[outcastrc]

I was fooling around tonight and I got an idea, I wanted targets I could see the battle damage with.

So I whipped up a foam tank and declared open war on it. :hunter:

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/tiger/2006-05-01,025.jpg

:lolbeat:

[Rikpal]

:lol:
You are a kid ;)

:nice:

[outcastrc]

Arn't we all? :noshare:

[yoda12131]

i might have to see about getting one :P they look pretty good for the price.

[Spoon37]

Cool!! :nice:

OC you are a seriously bad influence on all of us... I wanna get a Tiger I now.... :banghead:

:banana:

[Jugg2Driver]

Aim for the tracks!!!!!

[Keith]

That great that the Hen Longs were satisfactory! I still don't know what allt he negativity is all about... lol

You've also given me the initiative to get my gun fixed int he Pershing. I've been messing around with airsoft guns ever since I got the tank. It kinda opened up that aspect... :D I guess maybe it's time to get back to the tank and get it working now. Even before mine stopped firing, it wouldn't even shoot through a piece of newspaper, and definately wouldn't dent a soda can!

[outcastrc]

Honestly I think it mostly has to do about people trying to justify their Tamiya's. They spent a ton of money on them and along comes a cheap alternative, so they bash it as hard as they can so they can feel better about ownign the expensive one.

I would love to have all Tamiyas, battle ready and wars your uncle. But reality says thats not going to happen anytime soon. I can justify playing a little bit with a $100 toy much easier then a $1000 toy. Or 4 at 400Can then ???

Theres a site on the net that has gone to great length to make a battle system for models / HLs. Thats something I think I would like to do to these. Then at least they could fight. shootings fun but you really want to shoot at the other tanks. So this will be something I will be looking at down the road.

[sig p232]

Ok, they have the pershing with metal tracks for $116. IF you tell me you like them, I am going to have to order one. By the way, what was your shipping cost, and do you live in the states?

Nate

[outcastrc]

Shipping was 38Can for the 2 of them. Not cheap but it was insured and trackable. I live in Canada so Mato was a good choice for me. The VIP membership was a factor as well... So I figure I am in to the tanks for 125Can each. Not bad for what they give you.

I saw the metal tracked ones come to the site after I had already ordered. I don't know what I feel about that or not. On the one side metal tracks would be cool but supposedly they are really hard on the tanks. This is a toy after all.

I am not going to worry about it. The plastic tracks are so cheap my next order (bulldog) will include spare tracks for each tank. I can then at least repair something that bugs me on the tiger. The track is supposed to sag and it doesn't. Worth extending on a track that cost 8 bucks. Not somthing I would want to attempt on 90 bucks worth of track.

So far I am estatic about the HL tanks. They work great, very realistic (to a tank newb anyways) and they are cheap. What more can you ask for?

Other then a Sherman of course!

PS: I still haven't really tested the smoke units. But I really don't care if they work or not. They stink and are messy, can burn out if you don't keep the right amount of oil in them. I am seriously tempted to remove them. The smoke wasn't what drew me, it was the sound!

[Jugg2Driver]

I know the metal tracks for the Tamiya put a lot of excess stress on the drivelines. Definately don't want to run them on pavement or concrete.


As for the sag on the Tiger. I'm willing to bet that if you recreate that sag on the model tank it will cause the tracks to come off. The sag on the real 1:1 is partially due to the weight of the track itself. If you go and add a link, you'll end up loosening the tension on the wheels and may have the track pop off. You might be better off just running it a lot and hoping for some stretch.

[sig p232]

I am guilty, i ordered mine last night.

Nate

[outcastrc]

:nice: :nice: :nice:

Which one?

[Old Busted Hotness]

glad they're working out for ya, OC. all my negativity was based on customer returns. of the ones we've sold, i think only one has stayed with the customer. maybe your batch is better, it seems that way.

now go shoot something! :banana:

[sig p232]

I ordered the pershing with the metal track upgrade. I figure I can remachine all the parts out of aluminum if I start wearing out parts. These are just too cool.

Nate

[outcastrc]

Originally posted by sig p232@May 3 2006, 06:44 PM
I ordered the pershing with the metal track upgrade. I figure I can remachine all the parts out of aluminum if I start wearing out parts. These are just too cool.

Nate
Right on!

Make sure you join Making trax (http://www.making-trax.org)

Its for us nutballs that enjoy treaded vehicles. Quite a few scale4x4 guys are there. Pretty quite because its new but we are slowly changing that...

[outcastrc]

Originally posted by dremelit@May 3 2006, 05:57 PM
glad they're working out for ya, OC. all my negativity was based on customer returns. of the ones we've sold, i think only one has stayed with the customer. maybe your batch is better, it seems that way.

now go shoot something! :banana:
The old ones wern't very reliable from everything I read, so much so that Mato stopped selling them and demanded better quality. The super versions are the result. If these stay running for awhile (still on the first packs, they last long enough) I'll prolly order the other tanks. I really have no issues with anything about these tanks other then maybe I don't like the smoke options. But thats just me. I like the quiter cleaner tank.

But for now I just await the Walker Bulldog, I am getting that one as soon as its available at Mato. I really dig that tank. It will also give me a reason to get some spares.

The Panther and T34 are nice but need upgrades. They don't have decent electronics but can be upgraded to S&S electronics for pretty cheap.

Now if they would just hurry up and make a Sherman, I'll be in heaven.

[635]

Here are a few links to Heng Long tanks worth looking at. Sorry they are in German :angel: :

Link (http://www.modelltruck.net/showthread.php?t=18052)

Link (http://www.modelltruck.net/showthread.php?t=18068)

Link (http://www.modelltruck.net/showthread.php?t=18379)


Maybe someone needs a MANUAL (http://www.chqsoftware.com/) for his tank ;) ...

[Jugg2Driver]

Ahhhhhhh If only I could read German!!!!

[outcastrc]

Originally posted by 635@May 4 2006, 05:55 AM
Here are a few links to Heng Long tanks worth looking at. Sorry they are in German :angel: :

Link (http://www.modelltruck.net/showthread.php?t=18052)

Link (http://www.modelltruck.net/showthread.php?t=18068)

Link (http://www.modelltruck.net/showthread.php?t=18379)


Maybe someone needs a MANUAL (http://www.chqsoftware.com/) for his tank ;) ...
Those are some great links... Can't understand a word of it, but great pics anyways... :nice:

[635]

If you wanna know anything particular, just ask :chug: !

[outcastrc]

My spare track came in.

Before:

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/tiger/2006-05-12,001.jpg

After:

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/tiger/2006-05-12,002.jpg

I did some basic running on carpet with the extended links and so far it seems fine. Not a single derail. I am willing to deal with a bit of derailing for the new look.

[Jugg2Driver]

That does look 10 times better!

Glad to hear there is no derailing!

[outcastrc]

I also tore out the smoke generator while I was in there. (yes the tubes are gone) They just aren't for me.

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/tiger/2006-05-12,003.jpg

And I replaced the front plastic track molded part for a bunch of actual track links. I like it much better...

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/tiger/2006-05-12,004.jpg

[outcastrc]

hmmm... interesting problem...

When I went into the Pershing to remove the smoke unit, I noticed a problem with the upper motor mount. Its bent pretty bad. Enough so that the pinion barely reaches the gear anymore.

I went back into the tiger and it has the same problem to a lesser degree.

I believe it must be all the carpet running I have been doing, putting plenty of stress on a very thin mount.

I am going to have to think of a way to strengthen this area before I drive them again.

Tiger:

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/tiger/2006-05-13,008.jpg

Pershing:

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/pershing/2006-05-13,004.jpg

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/pershing/2006-05-13,009.jpg

[outcastrc]

I think I have a simple idea to solve the bending upper motor...

http://www.outcastrc.com/craig/tiger/2006-05-15,001.jpg

All it is is a plastic or hard foam spacer that keeps the upper motor where it belongs. The bottom motor is very secure (being mounted in the lower of the tranny plate) So is an ideal perch to support the upper motor.

[Spoon37]

I've heard worse ideas than that.... try it man... :chug:

should be easier than trying to make thicker/tougher plates or trying to brace the existing ones...

:banana:

[shodog]

Originally posted by Spoon37@May 15 2006, 03:07 PM
I've heard worse ideas than that.... try it man... :chug:

should be easier than trying to make thicker/tougher plates or trying to brace the existing ones...

:banana:
I am with spoon, I would try to sister the plates with a piece of 1/16" aluminum plate. Maybe even jb weld it to keep it together

[Jugg2Driver]

Wow, those gear plates are thin!!!!!!!!

I'd almost rip'em out and send'em to Chris to maching out of some slightly thicker stock!

[outcastrc]

Originally posted by Jugg2Driver@May 15 2006, 04:04 PM
Wow, those gear plates are thin!!!!!!!!

I'd almost rip'em out and send'em to Chris to maching out of some slightly thicker stock!
Thats another option...

[Keith]

Is it just the camera making it look that way, or are those metal gears in your Pershing? Mine are plastic, and I seem to recall the gearbox being built differently than that. Maybe the newer ones use a new gearbox design? Mine also has a "slipper" in there too, that clicks in little notches when it gets in a bind.

By the way, did you also order spare track for the Pershing? The tracks on mine are way tight, and are actually hard to turn by hand with the motor removed. I was tempted to add a link, just never got around to it. If you have some spare track, would you be willing to sell of a couple of links? lol

[outcastrc]

Both tanks are metal geared. I don't think theres a slipper, but with the metal gears it will just stall.

I ordered spare track for both tanks, figured it was just a matter of time before I broke a link... My Pershing tracks are a little loose, seems about perfect. With the extra link in the tiger its perfect as well...

If you want some links just PM me and we can discuss it. No sence in you spending what I had to to get spares... Should have bought track when I got the tanks, dumb on my part...

[Supreme Reign]

OutCast, that Tiger is sweet, and I'm really digging that Pershing. I need another tank. I wish HL made a Leopard or King Tiger. They should shadow every tank kit Tamiya offers with one of their own. I wish the HL bodies could be bought separately.

[Rikpal]

I didn't check this thread so much due to my disinterest in tanks, sorry Craig ;)
I have to say each time I saw one of those things opened my disinterest get an hard hit :lol:

Those are cool ;)

[outcastrc]

I finally got around to finishing all the cuts I wanted to make to the body. In the end I removed the side plates, the front cover plate and 1/2 of the rear cover plate. This is still a normal appearance in old pictures of the real thing I have collected and I think it looks a thousand times better. Now you can see the tracks. :nice:

http://making-trax.com/gallery2/d/1872-1/2007-03-11_002.JPG

http://making-trax.com/gallery2/d/1874-1/2007-03-11_003.JPG

http://making-trax.com/gallery2/d/1878-1/2007-03-11_005.JPG

http://making-trax.com/gallery2/d/1888-1/2007-03-11_010.JPG

[Thorsteenster]

i think i read somewhere about swapping the tamiya drive units into the heng long tanks. probably seen it before but this guy has alot of tank info.
http://www.customrcmodels.com/