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View Poll Results: What 3rd color option would be wanted?
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Boy, now THAT's an interesting thought right there. Ano usually used 'fade-resistant' dyes, but the Sun doesn't care about that, given time. I wonder if there is another High-UV source that does not cost much and can be tried? In theory it should work- Stu, you have an active mind for sure.

What ticks me of is, I drive these up to the Springs. I talked to the actual chap doing the work and the owner, make sure they know just what is wanted, that they carefully handle several months of work, hit the correct color, put enough juice to the plates with the screws, mount the centers so there is not a mark from same in a critical area........Like so many business these days, it seems their payment is the only important thing to them & the customer is an inconvenient necessity. You chaps might not know how anal I am about even minor details, so this hit me right in the face (Actually about 3 feet lower.)

Anyway, divorced from the circumstances, and the fact that they are not my original vision, the color is kinda growing on me. Suing that bass turd is not practical, nor is any other option, or I'd have been all over it: So acceptance is hard but ultimately the only real route available, and it is happening for me which I'd have never bet on- These wheels are very special nonetheless.

I have neglected to post pics of the orther centers that are done, I'll remedy that tonight/tomorrow. Looking at 30-45 days and do not foresee any technical issues ahead, just lots of....Time. Cheers to all you spectacularly decent folks, Chris REC






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Hang 'em up next to the welding table? You'd probably have to burn a lot of wire to have a noticeable effect, though.

Apparently, heat (over 400F) can fade anodizing, too. Bake a sample in the oven and see what happens.
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Here you go. Guess which one got hit with a MAPP torch for 30 seconds.

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This is a thin piece, so it heated up quickly and the color change was very rapid. You'd have a little more control with a thicker piece like a wheel center, but maybe not enough. By the time I saw it begin to change and took the heat off, the change had started to run away.

Interestingly, the blue changed to red. I only heated the red bit but enough heat went thru to change the blue.

If anyone wants to try this, I'd suggest keeping a bucket of water handy, and drop the piece in there RIGHT NOW when you see the color change to what you want.

Want to fade all 4 of 'em to exactly the same shade? Stick 'em in the oven and keep watch.
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Experiment two: Propane torch. More time, better control. I had a few seconds to see the change and remove the torch and got a true fade to pink.

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Second pic shows the uneven fade on the blue bottom piece. If anyone wants to try this, you will probably have this effect near the wheel hex, where the material is thicker.

Also notice the cracking/crazing effect on the anodized finish. This is the first thing you'll see when the color starts to change (and will probably annoy anyone who's paying big bucks for anodized wheels). Micro-cracks form in the ano and the edges start to glow. When you see that, it's gonna change pronto.

I should add that I completely failed to read the parts with a temp gun. Only just now thought about it
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Final experiment: set ano'd part on a piece of steel. Welded a 3-inch seam, 4 passes, 2 inches from the part. No discernible effect on color (shielded half the part with tape, and couldn't see any line afterward).

I suppose a real scientist would have kept going until there was a color change, but this was all the material and gas I was willing to waste.

Chris, you might want to take pics outside. Fluorescent lights kinda suck for true color photography. Could be that's the whole problem.
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Okay, so I lied. THIS is the final experiment. I think.

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Toaster oven, first at 375 then at 450, very little effect. Slight crazing in the ano, but no color change after 20 minutes. Back to the propane.

This piece is thicker than the previous test pieces, different manufacturer but more or less the same color anodizing. Remembered the temp gun this time.

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Heat with propane, back & forth over the whole piece. I wanted to see the effect the heat would have on the thin red fitting and thin blue tube and the thick blue receiver for the fitting. As expected the thinner parts faded while the thick bit held fast. Compare to the 90 degree fitting for color reference.

Noticed some fade at 384F. Much slower this time because of the thicker material. Dunked the piece in cold water to stop the fading.

Much less crazing, more controllable color change.

Here's what I don't know. The MAPP experiment got the blue to change to red/purple and the red to fade. But I don't have an orange/gold part to play with. Maybe heat makes it more orange.

Anyone who wants to try this should heat the wheel from the back, and concentrate the heat near the center hex area, but spread it around some. The crazing effect is worst on the sections directly exposed to heat.
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